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Debate in review: some highlights

Thanks to everyone who came over! It was really fun to watch the debate as a big group, and everyone at our house expressed excitement over this debate & stated opinions about how it was the best debate of the series, the most interesting, and so on. I think it was exciting to finally see Kerry make statements that clearly pointed to the current administration's faults, which they've been dodging talking about. And Bush, true to this form, often didn't answer the questions asked of him.

Here are some highlights from the debate:


Some quotes from KERRY:

"This is the first president in 72 years to preside over an economy in America that has lost jobs. Eleven other presidents, six Democrats and five Republicans had wars, had recessions, had great difficulties. None of them lost jobs the way this president has."

"The president has turned his back on the wellness of America, and there is no system and it's starting to fall apart," Kerry said.


And on another economic question (directed at Bush), Kerry's response:
SCHIEFFER: "Senator Kerry?"
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KERRY: "I want you to notice how the president switched away from jobs and started talking about education principally.

Let me come back in one moment to that, but I want to speak for a second, if I can, to what the president said about fiscal responsibility.

Being lectured by the president on fiscal responsibility is a little bit like Tony Soprano talking to me about law and order in this country."

(LAUGHTER)

"This president has taken a $5.6 trillion surplus and turned it into deficits as far as the eye can see. Health-care costs for the average American have gone up 64 percent; tuitions have gone up 35 percent; gasoline prices up 30 percent; Medicare premiums went up 17 percent a few days ago; prescription drugs are up 12 percent a year.

But guess what, America? The wages of Americans have gone down. The jobs that are being created in Arizona right now are paying about $13,700 less than the jobs that we're losing. "



And on another question...
SCHIEFFER: "My question is, how can you or any president, whoever is elected next time, keep that pledge without running this country deeper into debt and passing on more of the bills that we're running up to our children?"

KERRY: "I'll tell you exactly how I can do it: by reinstating what President Bush took away, which is called pay as you go.

During the 1990s, we had pay-as-you-go rules. If you were going to pass something in the Congress, you had to show where you are going to pay for it and how."


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FACT CHECK REPORT FROM http://www.mpr.org

Kerry accurately quoted Bush as saying he does not think much about Osama bin Laden and is not all that concerned about him. The president protested: "I just don't think I ever said I'm not worried about Osama bin Laden. It's kind of one of those exaggerations."

But in March 2002, Bush indeed said, "I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run." He described the terrorist leader as "marginalized," and said, "I just don't spend that much time on him."

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And some quotes from BUSH:


"We're working with Canada to hopefully -- that they'll produce a -- help us realize the vaccine necessary to make sure our citizens have got flu vaccinations during this upcoming season. "


What? Was that a sentence? Oh, and by the way, aren't you the one saying medicine from Canada is "dangerous and unsafe" ... that's hypocritical just like your statements about not wanting government interference in our lives, but then your insistence that the national government dictate details about how marriage is legitimate or not, and not wanting the states to take care of these laws anymore... plus your insistence that the government make all children say the pledge of allegiance "under god" : this is very personal interference from the national government, and totally uncalled for and unnecessary. Now back to more fun quotes:

"He just said he wants everybody to be able to buy in to the same plan that senators and congressmen get. That costs the government $7,700 per family. If every family in America signed up, like the senator suggested, if would cost us $5 trillion"



FACT CHECK (I Looked this up) : According to the 2000 Census report, the total USA population is 281,421,906, which multiplied by $7,700/person, gives us 100% health coverage for everyone at $2,166,948,676,200.00 , which is less then half of what President Bush declared, and.. that is assuming full coverage would be provided for every individual counted in the USA, which isn't what will happen: only a percentage of people will sign up: but everyone should have this right to get health care. Are we not as a people not as good & important to keep healthy as the senators & congressmen? Why are we one of the few of the rich & developed countries who still doesn't offer government health care??? Where is our money going to that we can't give our citizens medical care? Oh, right.. to war.



BUSH: "But as we respect someone's rights, and as we profess tolerance, we shouldn't change -- or have to change -- our basic views on the sanctity of marriage."


... Are you saying that you would not have opened up the right to marriage to Black people either or other groups who used to be denied the right to marry? ... it sure sounds like it. Here's a historical reference to this & a resource for that information:

"Slaves were not permitted to marry as they were considered “property.” Asians and Native Americans were not permitted to marry in the early years of the U.S. Interracial couples were not permitted to marry in some states until as late as 1967." quote taken from: http://www.marriageequality.org/facts.php?page=historical_look

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Well, I think that is a long list of highlighted topics & a few interesting quotes. Here's a link to the whole transcript if you are interested, and an MPR review of the debate:

TRANSCRIPT:
http://wid.ap.org/transcripts/debates/prez3.html

ARTICLE:
http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2004/10/13_ap_prezdebate/

Oh, sorry, just one more quote, ok?:



SCHIEFFER: "Mr. President, let's have a new question. It goes to you. And let's get back to economic issues.

Health insurance costs have risen over 36 percent over the last four years according to The Washington Post. We're paying more. We're getting less.

I would like to ask you: Who bears responsibility for this? Is it the government? Is it the insurance companies? Is it the lawyers? Is it the doctors? Is it the administration? "



BUSH: "Gosh, I sure hope it's not the administration. "


OK everybody! Time to vote ... I hope everyone I know votes, lets tell them what we think of our current government via our votes.



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Out where the river broke
The bloodwood and the desert oak
Holden wrecks and boiling diesels
Steam in forty five degrees

The time has come
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To pay the rent
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The time has come
A fact's a fact
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